"Zionism has led Christians and Jews into supporting and committing the most HEINOUS of crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine for almost a thousand years!
Zionism has never been conducive with the teachings of Jesus, especially “Love thy neighbour as thyself.” ~ Matthew 22:37-39 and Leviticus 19:18." read more at:
I don’t know what the hell you’re rambling about. Jews are not Christians the same way Americans are not brits. To a christian, Judaism is an obsolete religion, abandoned by God over 2000 years ago. That said, the situation in gaza is not a matter of religion, it’s a matter of common sense.
We weren’t in disagreement when we decided to vanquish the nazis, it was a brutal war that caused over 2 million German civilians to perish. Why didn’t we call that “genocide”? And why is it now a genocide when the savages we’re dealing with are way worse than the nazis, plus they actively use their own civilian population as human shield?
Just admit you're a jew hater with reading and comprehension issues. I don't give a damn about jews or Israel, not particularly. Like I don't give a damn about Japan or Japanese people. But when stupid people like you say stupid shit like Israel doesn't have a right to their land, I have to set you straight. It's like saying Japanese people don't have a right to Japan.
Again, this is not a matter of religion. "Zionism" as you call it is just reclaiming of historical land. This is a matter of historical fact. Only ignoramuses and idiots think otherwise. If you don't think Israel owns that land you have to explain away historical artifacts like the temple mount in Jerusalem, which predates Palestine. Or just the name "Jerusalem", which is a Hebrew name.
It says everything about what you stand for to call Palestinians savages, and use the tired propagandistic “human shield”rhetoric.
If you actually understand the reality and true history of the white supremacist occupation of Palestine that is Zionism, and still speak that way then you’re a Zionist too.
Also, the argument about “vanquishing the nazis” is ironic.
I have an old newspaper clipping for you to read from some Jews that survived Nazi Germany and were smart enough to know better and say so. Obviously didn’t stop the Nazis from marching on, but we can still testify as to what side of history we’re trying to be on.
Israel has had their ups and downs definitely. But in terms of savagery, the muslims are way worse. Go learn a thing or two about the Rashidun Conquests or the first muslim expansion. This was when mohammed showed up in the history books and just went straight to massacre and pillage, killing any one who didn't capitulate to islam. This is the same mentality as hamas. This IS actually savage.
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
Having some idiot leftist quote a Bible passage to me is rich. More so about lying which is your specialty. If one were to categorize the devil in the left-right spectrum, he'll definitely be a far leftist.
Anyway Israel has been fighting for their land since their inception thousands of years ago. It's in the Bible: read it. Lol.
Who’s the idiot? I’m neither a leftist nor a Christian. That’s what your Bible says full stop. Eat it or leave it. Palestine does not belong to Israel. It belongs to Palestinians.
The fact that Israel’s genocidal grifter of a god told the Israelis to go kill everyone in Canaan and steal their shit (which is also fairytales as there is zero evidence that ever happened), it’s proof there were people already there for thousands of years prior to any Israelis showing up there. And the Canaanite nations NEVER left. Israel had to learn to live with their neighbors. The Bible says so. Hell they can’t even take over a small strip of land, with people who have no standing army, navy, air force, ballistic program or missile dome and are being starved to death. They can’t do it with AI technologies, massive surveillance, chemical weapons, thousands of drones and a nuclear super power providing everything from two thousand pound bombs to intelligence. And you think they were going to genocide fierce warriors of ancient cultures one on one?😂😂😂
But still they were so arrogant they didn’t realize they were just a bunch of ass backwards hoodlums who didn’t want to pay taxes so the real military powers of the day Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, and Rome pounded their asses and taught them a thing or two about humility and obedience. Look it up. It’s real history.
Jews and Jewish organizations around the world from all walks of life, many historians, politicians, holocaust survivors, economists, journalists and intellectuals whom I respect, are repulsed by the actions of this theocratic extremist rogue regime. After this genocidal outburst, Israel is done. It’s already a pariah state…persona non grata of the nations of the world. I’m confident a Palestinian state will be formally recognized soon.
"Palestine does not belong to Israel. It belongs to Palestinians." ... Does that include Jerusalem? Because Jerusalem is not a palestinan name. Also, you need to explain away the temple mount in jerusalem. Who built it? palestinans? Lol. Honestly at this point you might as well say that.
Your entire point hinges on resolving this issue. Answer the questions: who built the temple mount in Jerusalem? who gave it the name "Jerusalem"? and when was that name given?
A temple or a mosque built on Jerusalem is irrelevant. The land belongs to the Palestinians, Jews and Christians that were living there in harmony, as well as their descendants, before this settler colonial project was arbitrarily forced upon Palestine. If you don’t know the sordid history of how Palestine was promised to three different groups, the terrorism tactics employed by Israelis even against Britain and the robber barons bankrolling this enterprise is because you are choosing to be willfully ignorant. The history of this hostile takeover of indigenous land is dirty from beginning to the eventual end of a rogue, corrupt, racists, violent nationalist theocracy.
For the record, as a Christian, ie, a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe the Old Testament - which is a bunch of made up bullshit and stories the ancient Jews stole from other more advanced civilizations- has no relevance and no place in Christianity. It’s a particularly Jewish tract, full of stories about the ancient Jews, who were more often outside of their God’s grace and favor than they were inside. I could give a rats ass about anything in the Old Testament and deny it has any validity or significance in Christianity. Any Christian who believes in that tissue of lies needs to recommit themselves to Christ and follow his way. The Old Testament is for losers.
I read on Substack that the Sanhedrin has called all Jews, worldwide, to return now to Israel. This is just so the Jews can populate the lands they believe they have successfully stolen from other countries. It’s also calculated to have money pour in from Christian Zionists who want nothing more than all the worlds Jews to be concentrated within the ever flexible borders of “Israel”, a necessary pre-condition for their whole end times scenario to kick into gear. What a bunch of money grubbing vermin.
It’s possible. And in fact I agree with you, to some extent. But I don’t really place any “weight” or emphasis on the Jewish origins of Christianity. The Jewish aspect of Christianity is of no interest to me. Jesus wasn’t a “Jew” in any real sense. He was offering the Jews an entirely new way forward which is why they had him killed.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one. Don’t care what you think. The OT is a worthless piece of bad fiction. You may as well try and set economic policy for the nation on the basis of the novels of f Ayn Rand - oh wait, they already do that.
When precisely do you believe the Jews stole, made up, and altered the stories found in the Old Testament? If there is a weak spot in Guyenot's work, it's that he does not address the challenge of the revolution that Copenhagen School had carried out in Old Testament scholarship. In particular the work of Russell Gmirkin. Gmirkin argues that there was no Biblical Judaism until the Pentateuch was written in the Library of Alexandria about the year 276 BC. Pentateuch was first written in Greek (that's mean the so-called Septuagint has primacy over the so-called Masoretic text) then translated into Hebrew. Go to Vridar at worldpress.com to learn about Russell Gmirkin. Neil Godfrey provides a very good introduction.
It's not a weak spot, it's just not the topic of my short post. I don't find Gmirkin convincing; his theory is too extreme. But I do think that the final Hebrew canon is from the Hellenistic period. There is much evidence for that. But just as obviously, very old oral and written sources have been woven into this patchwork.
I'm well aware that when Old Testament was compliled/written was not the topic of this post. The post is in itself a most admirable reflection on Jesus and the Old Testament messianic prophecies. I have absolutely no disagreement with you on that point. What Satan temps Jesus with is exactly the same as Yahweh's messianic promise to the Israelites. Jesus rejects the temptation/promise and therefore can not be the Messiah promised by Yahweh.
I am glad you chose to very briefly address my raising Russell Gmirkin scholarship as a possible challenge (i e. weak spot) in what l took to be your view of the origin of the Old Testament. If l remember correctly, a couple of posts earlier, you recommended another Biblical scholar's work on who originally wrote the Old Testament. I've yet had a chance to review this work. Perhaps after I've reviewed it, l will come around to the view that Gmirkin's position is "extreme." As it stands now, l consider Gmirkin to be rather conservative and realistic in his approach. As you yourself agree, there is indeed something rather Hellenistic about the Old Testament.
In addition to the Hellenistic qualities to the text, and as Gmirkin unsurprisingly stresses as he is an expert on these documents, all accounts of who were the original authors of the Old Testament have to squarely face the Elephantine Papryi challenge. These documents were written in Persian Egypt by a community of Judean mercenaries and exhibit a total lack of knowledge about ... well, the whole religion of the Old Testament. Do l have "issues" with Gmirkin's position? Why, yes. I'm pretty sure they might even be coming from the same general area as yours.
In closing, l would like to note Gmirkin's latest work:
Plato's Timeaus and the Biblical Creation Accounts
Is an exceptional introduction to the cosmological accomplishments of Greek philosophy as well. It's worth the read for that reason alone.
Historic, exponential bullshit that simply follows on from the exponent (Genesis) lie.
Use your fucking brains.
The original sin is the invention of God...The follow-on sins of trying to witness via more made up lies that hide the original, make you an illogical fool and a dilettante.
You are assuming the biblical stories of the torah are true. Many jewish historians, christians, and plain old folks like me believe they are not. For the most part the jew-written torah is a single source, its incredible historic claims validated by little or nothing. Myths are created to pull people together and keep them in line. Just as King Arthur might have been real, his incredible feats were not.
Jews worship a mythology and develop lies and deceits to brainwashed new generations.
Agreed except for the use of the word Jews, which didn't exist until the 18th century. In the Hebrew pronunciation, since they don't have the J, this would be Yews or use or ewes. Who was using them then, when they were the nomadic all-male armed invaders of Habiru, Scythians, Romans, Khazarians? And who is pulling the strings now? Who wrote that mythology and did it end with Jesus, or just leave the baggage and sublimate into a more deceitful and insidious form?
its impossible to know precisely what Jesus taught, but it is clear that he was not at home within the Jewish tribal tradition and sought to offer a resolution which addressed the origins of our self-destructive tendencies. this applies equally to Rome as it does to Jerusalem, as the spirit which motivated the rise of the Roman empire is undeniably "Jewish" or "Satanic", if we examine its fruits. the same can be said of every empire, including the United States today, and every nascent state insofar as they adhere to a metaphysics of violence where hypocrisy and self-interest are considered a priori conditions of human life not amenable by consciousness. to the extent that a man identifies with Jewish attitudes about life or is indeed dominated by and submits to them, Jesus' teachings, even in their watered down state, are to such a person what AA is to recovering alcoholics: it provides a path out of the solipsistic, hypocritical, apocalyptic logic of self-interest, hucksterism, and money. for that reason alone his teachings shouldn't be discarded, even if confused people continue to worship him as the Messiah, while otherwise living as and identifying with Jews and Jewish problems.
i don't disagree that Zionism is not compatible with the teachings of Jesus, but just because you are not a Zionist does not mean that you are immune from adopting Zionist attitudes about life - it is those attitudes/actions, not how you identify, that determines whether or not you are in league with the antichrist.
When combined, the double negative ("I don't disagree" + "is not compatible") generally cancels out, leading to an agreement with the statement that "Zionism is not compatible." However, the use of a double negative can sometimes imply a softer agreement, suggesting perhaps a reluctance to fully endorse the negative statement or an intention to avoid a direct affirmation
Religion is just an excuse to commit heinous acts. Religion has no place in politics and should be left at the door. Believe whatever the hell you want if it makes you happy but leave other people alone. It’s absurd that religion is being accommodated in government.
If only Israeli radicals would stop spitting on Christians wearing crucifixes and stop bullying and pushing catholic nuns in Israel. As long as that abhorrent behavior continues, Christians should not support Israel, bc they don’t support us.
Oh, no, not the White Man (Keeley) telling us how mean, dangerous, blood thirsty those savages were!
This is 2024, and the Doctrine of Discovery by the White Viral Catholics did its destruction, along witht he Anglo American virus from here to kingdom come. That dirty butchery island, Isra-Hell, and their sicarios, well well, the money, man, the military hardware, man, the gulag of the digital overlord, man.
And in the end, Russia caves, and Russia is on its heels:
Laith Marouf: Syria’s Dismemberment and Russia’s Betrayal
20-Fucking-24! Such great exceptionalist Western Civilizers.
Following the ‘liberation’ of Damascus by a U.S.-backed terrorist organization, Israel has stolen more Syrian land and has subjected the country to relentless bombardment.
Meanwhile, the new Syrian regime refuses to confront Zionist invaders or to stop Turkish forces from attacking Kurds in the northeast of Syria.
Dimitri Lascaris speaks with Laith Marouf about the dire condition of the Syrian nation.
Marouf, who is himself of Syrian and Palestinian origin, believes that the state of Syria no longer exists.
+--+
Butchers, man, even the fat fucks like Trump or skinny fucks like Kushner, butchers of the mind and the wallet.
You’ve wandered into a veritable Christmas collection of Jerry-meandered kids.
It appears that there’s lots of experienced fairytale tellers here.
I’m not much into telling the gory bibble stories, but if you want some recitations of Mother Goose or Humpty Dumpty, ditch this shit show, and I’ll read you some other made up stories.
Wow. Your brilliant comment has completely won me over. I’m chucking away my Faith now as you’re SO articulate and convincing! Keep up the good work Einstein. The entire world will soon see things your way if you can just post enough of these comments 😂
Einstein and I agree that the Wholly Babble is a “pretty childish collection of primitive legends”.
Unlike religious zealots, I could give a fuck less about convincing the world, or anyone else for that matter, about the folly of the Judeo-Christian bullshit story(s).
But, getting under your skin, even just a little bit, is its own reward.
I'm in agreement with you, Paulo, that the Catholic Church should not be let off the hook here. I'm still hoping that Russia does not cave and that there's a deeper plan at work, whether at a political level or a metaphysical level. But I don't know enough to say.
What I do know is that the Sicariots were not on the side of Yahweh's henchmen, interpreters and tax-extractors to enslave Canaan.
Judas the Sicariot (transpose two letters to see how the gospels turn heroes into villains) led the zealot revolution against Rome. His co-founder was Zadok or Saduc, from which the Sadducees derived. They rejected the genealogy of the Torah, giving some the right to rule over Yahweh. It was actually a Hasidic rabbi who revealed this to me, inadvertently: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/empire-and-religion.
And the author of 'Jesus' (in quotes since there's no evidence that this is a historical person and not a literary character) hated the zealots aka the sicariots. Here's what the gospels say about them, once you decipher the words translated as robber or thief in their correct meaning as insurgents against the Roman/ Yahwist alliance: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/jesus-rebel-or-imperialist.
So when 'Jesus' curses Peter as Satan, there is a zealot famous for his inhuman strength called Peter, who is rounded up after the betrayal of Jerusalem--70 CE when the gospels were first written and the character 'Jesus' first appeared. He gets turned into a cowardly, weak representative of Satan in the inversion. It's important to put this in historical context.
Because I am a Christian, I do not stand with the Zionist Israeli Terrorist State (ZITS) and the Zionist Christians. From a secular perspective, both of them are domestic and foreign enemies of the United States. From a religious perspective, the Jews are not the chosen people. Christians following Christ are the chosen people, but this “chosenness” is not braggadocio like some Judaic Jews, but an expression of the fruits of the spirit in humility and servanthood. Real Christians are working to bring people to Christ. I pray Jews and Christian Zionists come to Jesus Christ so they can be the chosen people.
Fabulous Laurant is of course a beautiful heartfelt compassionate honest soul ..we perceive his golden hearted intent …however plenty of Real non sectarian non..isreal - firster non ..evangelical…non churchocentric absolutely Pro 2A Christians regard Isreal as the” squaminous. sphincter of Satan”..at best”*. The Jews who super dominate the American mass media .or..lamestream lying Jew whore media”always obscure .cover that up..sweep real Americans Christian dissent to antichrist Isreal and depraved satanic vile reprobate JEWS .under the rug…* jus sayin…. But in any….every case .fabulous Laurant G..don't ..ever. stop*. Free Palestine! No trump whore houses for kushner in Gaza!** Rearm Now**
You are standing on the wrong side. Israel is with Lucifer and real Christianity is opposed. These are the two standards. One side killed the Messiah and the other side embraces the Messiah.
"Zionism has led Christians and Jews into supporting and committing the most HEINOUS of crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine for almost a thousand years!
Zionism has never been conducive with the teachings of Jesus, especially “Love thy neighbour as thyself.” ~ Matthew 22:37-39 and Leviticus 19:18." read more at:
https://substack.com/@francesleader/note/c-82374102
I don’t know what the hell you’re rambling about. Jews are not Christians the same way Americans are not brits. To a christian, Judaism is an obsolete religion, abandoned by God over 2000 years ago. That said, the situation in gaza is not a matter of religion, it’s a matter of common sense.
We weren’t in disagreement when we decided to vanquish the nazis, it was a brutal war that caused over 2 million German civilians to perish. Why didn’t we call that “genocide”? And why is it now a genocide when the savages we’re dealing with are way worse than the nazis, plus they actively use their own civilian population as human shield?
You seem confused. Zionism is supported by many Christians. Haven't you noticed?
He seems retarded or just trolling for Israel.
Just admit you're a jew hater with reading and comprehension issues. I don't give a damn about jews or Israel, not particularly. Like I don't give a damn about Japan or Japanese people. But when stupid people like you say stupid shit like Israel doesn't have a right to their land, I have to set you straight. It's like saying Japanese people don't have a right to Japan.
https://substack.com/@futuredude/note/c-120960691
Identity disease blocks out all reality and logic.
Fuck me! ..These people are insane.
Again, this is not a matter of religion. "Zionism" as you call it is just reclaiming of historical land. This is a matter of historical fact. Only ignoramuses and idiots think otherwise. If you don't think Israel owns that land you have to explain away historical artifacts like the temple mount in Jerusalem, which predates Palestine. Or just the name "Jerusalem", which is a Hebrew name.
So you support the Roman Catholic agenda, do you? Jews are so easily duped - mainly due to their self esteem.
The Roman Catholic church is a pagan entity. It's not even christian to begin with. I have a more detailed note about this on my page: look it up.
Roman Catholicism originated the idea of owning Jerusalem, hence the Crusades. They are, therefore, the first Zionists. The Jews have been duped.
https://substack.com/@francesleader/note/c-121051091?utm_source=activity_item
And you pal, are of the "Any excuse will do" school.
The scum you support are blowing innocents to bits. You gutless coward shit.
It says everything about what you stand for to call Palestinians savages, and use the tired propagandistic “human shield”rhetoric.
If you actually understand the reality and true history of the white supremacist occupation of Palestine that is Zionism, and still speak that way then you’re a Zionist too.
Also, the argument about “vanquishing the nazis” is ironic.
I have an old newspaper clipping for you to read from some Jews that survived Nazi Germany and were smart enough to know better and say so. Obviously didn’t stop the Nazis from marching on, but we can still testify as to what side of history we’re trying to be on.
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n2/mode/1up?view=theater
Israelis are the savages in this story.
Israel has had their ups and downs definitely. But in terms of savagery, the muslims are way worse. Go learn a thing or two about the Rashidun Conquests or the first muslim expansion. This was when mohammed showed up in the history books and just went straight to massacre and pillage, killing any one who didn't capitulate to islam. This is the same mentality as hamas. This IS actually savage.
We’re in the present. Besides, we keep finding out that history books aren’t always accurate.
Not accurate about what? Muslims? Did you miss october 7?
I didn’t miss 1948-2023. The world knows who the bad guys are, you’re just in denial.
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
John 8:44
Having some idiot leftist quote a Bible passage to me is rich. More so about lying which is your specialty. If one were to categorize the devil in the left-right spectrum, he'll definitely be a far leftist.
Anyway Israel has been fighting for their land since their inception thousands of years ago. It's in the Bible: read it. Lol.
Who’s the idiot? I’m neither a leftist nor a Christian. That’s what your Bible says full stop. Eat it or leave it. Palestine does not belong to Israel. It belongs to Palestinians.
The fact that Israel’s genocidal grifter of a god told the Israelis to go kill everyone in Canaan and steal their shit (which is also fairytales as there is zero evidence that ever happened), it’s proof there were people already there for thousands of years prior to any Israelis showing up there. And the Canaanite nations NEVER left. Israel had to learn to live with their neighbors. The Bible says so. Hell they can’t even take over a small strip of land, with people who have no standing army, navy, air force, ballistic program or missile dome and are being starved to death. They can’t do it with AI technologies, massive surveillance, chemical weapons, thousands of drones and a nuclear super power providing everything from two thousand pound bombs to intelligence. And you think they were going to genocide fierce warriors of ancient cultures one on one?😂😂😂
But still they were so arrogant they didn’t realize they were just a bunch of ass backwards hoodlums who didn’t want to pay taxes so the real military powers of the day Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, and Rome pounded their asses and taught them a thing or two about humility and obedience. Look it up. It’s real history.
Jews and Jewish organizations around the world from all walks of life, many historians, politicians, holocaust survivors, economists, journalists and intellectuals whom I respect, are repulsed by the actions of this theocratic extremist rogue regime. After this genocidal outburst, Israel is done. It’s already a pariah state…persona non grata of the nations of the world. I’m confident a Palestinian state will be formally recognized soon.
"Palestine does not belong to Israel. It belongs to Palestinians." ... Does that include Jerusalem? Because Jerusalem is not a palestinan name. Also, you need to explain away the temple mount in jerusalem. Who built it? palestinans? Lol. Honestly at this point you might as well say that.
Your entire point hinges on resolving this issue. Answer the questions: who built the temple mount in Jerusalem? who gave it the name "Jerusalem"? and when was that name given?
A temple or a mosque built on Jerusalem is irrelevant. The land belongs to the Palestinians, Jews and Christians that were living there in harmony, as well as their descendants, before this settler colonial project was arbitrarily forced upon Palestine. If you don’t know the sordid history of how Palestine was promised to three different groups, the terrorism tactics employed by Israelis even against Britain and the robber barons bankrolling this enterprise is because you are choosing to be willfully ignorant. The history of this hostile takeover of indigenous land is dirty from beginning to the eventual end of a rogue, corrupt, racists, violent nationalist theocracy.
Obviously you're the nazi. Not a barbarian or savage or anything. A stain on humanity like all nazi.
National socialists (aka nazis) were lefties like you lowlives. Now get lost.
For the record, as a Christian, ie, a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe the Old Testament - which is a bunch of made up bullshit and stories the ancient Jews stole from other more advanced civilizations- has no relevance and no place in Christianity. It’s a particularly Jewish tract, full of stories about the ancient Jews, who were more often outside of their God’s grace and favor than they were inside. I could give a rats ass about anything in the Old Testament and deny it has any validity or significance in Christianity. Any Christian who believes in that tissue of lies needs to recommit themselves to Christ and follow his way. The Old Testament is for losers.
I read on Substack that the Sanhedrin has called all Jews, worldwide, to return now to Israel. This is just so the Jews can populate the lands they believe they have successfully stolen from other countries. It’s also calculated to have money pour in from Christian Zionists who want nothing more than all the worlds Jews to be concentrated within the ever flexible borders of “Israel”, a necessary pre-condition for their whole end times scenario to kick into gear. What a bunch of money grubbing vermin.
It’s possible. And in fact I agree with you, to some extent. But I don’t really place any “weight” or emphasis on the Jewish origins of Christianity. The Jewish aspect of Christianity is of no interest to me. Jesus wasn’t a “Jew” in any real sense. He was offering the Jews an entirely new way forward which is why they had him killed.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one. Don’t care what you think. The OT is a worthless piece of bad fiction. You may as well try and set economic policy for the nation on the basis of the novels of f Ayn Rand - oh wait, they already do that.
When precisely do you believe the Jews stole, made up, and altered the stories found in the Old Testament? If there is a weak spot in Guyenot's work, it's that he does not address the challenge of the revolution that Copenhagen School had carried out in Old Testament scholarship. In particular the work of Russell Gmirkin. Gmirkin argues that there was no Biblical Judaism until the Pentateuch was written in the Library of Alexandria about the year 276 BC. Pentateuch was first written in Greek (that's mean the so-called Septuagint has primacy over the so-called Masoretic text) then translated into Hebrew. Go to Vridar at worldpress.com to learn about Russell Gmirkin. Neil Godfrey provides a very good introduction.
It's not a weak spot, it's just not the topic of my short post. I don't find Gmirkin convincing; his theory is too extreme. But I do think that the final Hebrew canon is from the Hellenistic period. There is much evidence for that. But just as obviously, very old oral and written sources have been woven into this patchwork.
I'm well aware that when Old Testament was compliled/written was not the topic of this post. The post is in itself a most admirable reflection on Jesus and the Old Testament messianic prophecies. I have absolutely no disagreement with you on that point. What Satan temps Jesus with is exactly the same as Yahweh's messianic promise to the Israelites. Jesus rejects the temptation/promise and therefore can not be the Messiah promised by Yahweh.
I am glad you chose to very briefly address my raising Russell Gmirkin scholarship as a possible challenge (i e. weak spot) in what l took to be your view of the origin of the Old Testament. If l remember correctly, a couple of posts earlier, you recommended another Biblical scholar's work on who originally wrote the Old Testament. I've yet had a chance to review this work. Perhaps after I've reviewed it, l will come around to the view that Gmirkin's position is "extreme." As it stands now, l consider Gmirkin to be rather conservative and realistic in his approach. As you yourself agree, there is indeed something rather Hellenistic about the Old Testament.
In addition to the Hellenistic qualities to the text, and as Gmirkin unsurprisingly stresses as he is an expert on these documents, all accounts of who were the original authors of the Old Testament have to squarely face the Elephantine Papryi challenge. These documents were written in Persian Egypt by a community of Judean mercenaries and exhibit a total lack of knowledge about ... well, the whole religion of the Old Testament. Do l have "issues" with Gmirkin's position? Why, yes. I'm pretty sure they might even be coming from the same general area as yours.
In closing, l would like to note Gmirkin's latest work:
Plato's Timeaus and the Biblical Creation Accounts
Is an exceptional introduction to the cosmological accomplishments of Greek philosophy as well. It's worth the read for that reason alone.
"BULLSHIT" !! ! ...You quest after exponential bullshit to endorse the exponent bullshit.
Scumbag, ámoral tyrants invented gods to their ungodly purposes.
And their purposes are to keep you believing bullshit ..and by your credulity, enable the tyrant..
Historic, exponential bullshit that simply follows on from the exponent (Genesis) lie.
Use your fucking brains.
The original sin is the invention of God...The follow-on sins of trying to witness via more made up lies that hide the original, make you an illogical fool and a dilettante.
I like that. "The original sin is the invention of God." Of course it begs the question, "What is sin?"
The best I can say is that it's the shit that unrepentant actors repeatedly do ..and the shit that the repentant find their conscience over.
What do you rek'n?
The mistake you make is as a " follower of Jesus Christ" is that you are following a Christian/Zionist, Stalking-Horse.
Christianity is the lifeboats aboard a Jewish mother ship, deliberately designed as such.
You are no Christian. Even Jesus Christ referenced the old testament multiple times. You’re a poser.
WHAT? Were you around circa 2000 years ago?
listening to Jesus speak about a book, that hadn't even been written?
They
You are assuming the biblical stories of the torah are true. Many jewish historians, christians, and plain old folks like me believe they are not. For the most part the jew-written torah is a single source, its incredible historic claims validated by little or nothing. Myths are created to pull people together and keep them in line. Just as King Arthur might have been real, his incredible feats were not.
Jews worship a mythology and develop lies and deceits to brainwashed new generations.
Agreed except for the use of the word Jews, which didn't exist until the 18th century. In the Hebrew pronunciation, since they don't have the J, this would be Yews or use or ewes. Who was using them then, when they were the nomadic all-male armed invaders of Habiru, Scythians, Romans, Khazarians? And who is pulling the strings now? Who wrote that mythology and did it end with Jesus, or just leave the baggage and sublimate into a more deceitful and insidious form?
Ewes🐑
its impossible to know precisely what Jesus taught, but it is clear that he was not at home within the Jewish tribal tradition and sought to offer a resolution which addressed the origins of our self-destructive tendencies. this applies equally to Rome as it does to Jerusalem, as the spirit which motivated the rise of the Roman empire is undeniably "Jewish" or "Satanic", if we examine its fruits. the same can be said of every empire, including the United States today, and every nascent state insofar as they adhere to a metaphysics of violence where hypocrisy and self-interest are considered a priori conditions of human life not amenable by consciousness. to the extent that a man identifies with Jewish attitudes about life or is indeed dominated by and submits to them, Jesus' teachings, even in their watered down state, are to such a person what AA is to recovering alcoholics: it provides a path out of the solipsistic, hypocritical, apocalyptic logic of self-interest, hucksterism, and money. for that reason alone his teachings shouldn't be discarded, even if confused people continue to worship him as the Messiah, while otherwise living as and identifying with Jews and Jewish problems.
Why don't people just wise-up and become Stoics if they are idealists.
...are idealists ???
i don't fully understand your comment. what do you mean?
Just a rhetorical question from one not ensnared in an Abrahamic theism.
right, thanks.
Zionism is literally antiChrist.
1 John 2:22
1 Thes 2:14-16
Rev 2:9, 3:9
i don't disagree that Zionism is not compatible with the teachings of Jesus, but just because you are not a Zionist does not mean that you are immune from adopting Zionist attitudes about life - it is those attitudes/actions, not how you identify, that determines whether or not you are in league with the antichrist.
When combined, the double negative ("I don't disagree" + "is not compatible") generally cancels out, leading to an agreement with the statement that "Zionism is not compatible." However, the use of a double negative can sometimes imply a softer agreement, suggesting perhaps a reluctance to fully endorse the negative statement or an intention to avoid a direct affirmation
so you reluctantly agree
Zionism is literally AntiChrist.
1 John 2:22
1 Thes 2:14-16
Rev 2:9 and 3:9.
The IDF slaughters Palestinian Orthodox Christians and bombs them as they shelter on the grounds of one of the oldest churches in all of Christendom.
Repent of your innovative heresy no Martyr for Christ ever shared with you.
Religion is just an excuse to commit heinous acts. Religion has no place in politics and should be left at the door. Believe whatever the hell you want if it makes you happy but leave other people alone. It’s absurd that religion is being accommodated in government.
Brilliantly stated. Absolutely true. Thanks for this!
If only Israeli radicals would stop spitting on Christians wearing crucifixes and stop bullying and pushing catholic nuns in Israel. As long as that abhorrent behavior continues, Christians should not support Israel, bc they don’t support us.
The Schofield bible was financed by Khazarian devils.
It brought Zionism to the USA through predominantly Baptist (Calvinist) Theology turning Western Christianity into a war machine for Ish-Hell.
Oh, no, not the White Man (Keeley) telling us how mean, dangerous, blood thirsty those savages were!
This is 2024, and the Doctrine of Discovery by the White Viral Catholics did its destruction, along witht he Anglo American virus from here to kingdom come. That dirty butchery island, Isra-Hell, and their sicarios, well well, the money, man, the military hardware, man, the gulag of the digital overlord, man.
And in the end, Russia caves, and Russia is on its heels:
Laith Marouf: Syria’s Dismemberment and Russia’s Betrayal
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2024/12/17/laith-marouf-syrias-dismemberment-and-russias-betrayal/
20-Fucking-24! Such great exceptionalist Western Civilizers.
Following the ‘liberation’ of Damascus by a U.S.-backed terrorist organization, Israel has stolen more Syrian land and has subjected the country to relentless bombardment.
Meanwhile, the new Syrian regime refuses to confront Zionist invaders or to stop Turkish forces from attacking Kurds in the northeast of Syria.
Dimitri Lascaris speaks with Laith Marouf about the dire condition of the Syrian nation.
Marouf, who is himself of Syrian and Palestinian origin, believes that the state of Syria no longer exists.
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Butchers, man, even the fat fucks like Trump or skinny fucks like Kushner, butchers of the mind and the wallet.
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/exclusive-hotline-for-fucking-savages
You’ve wandered into a veritable Christmas collection of Jerry-meandered kids.
It appears that there’s lots of experienced fairytale tellers here.
I’m not much into telling the gory bibble stories, but if you want some recitations of Mother Goose or Humpty Dumpty, ditch this shit show, and I’ll read you some other made up stories.
Wow. Your brilliant comment has completely won me over. I’m chucking away my Faith now as you’re SO articulate and convincing! Keep up the good work Einstein. The entire world will soon see things your way if you can just post enough of these comments 😂
Einstein and I agree that the Wholly Babble is a “pretty childish collection of primitive legends”.
Unlike religious zealots, I could give a fuck less about convincing the world, or anyone else for that matter, about the folly of the Judeo-Christian bullshit story(s).
But, getting under your skin, even just a little bit, is its own reward.
I'm in agreement with you, Paulo, that the Catholic Church should not be let off the hook here. I'm still hoping that Russia does not cave and that there's a deeper plan at work, whether at a political level or a metaphysical level. But I don't know enough to say.
What I do know is that the Sicariots were not on the side of Yahweh's henchmen, interpreters and tax-extractors to enslave Canaan.
Judas the Sicariot (transpose two letters to see how the gospels turn heroes into villains) led the zealot revolution against Rome. His co-founder was Zadok or Saduc, from which the Sadducees derived. They rejected the genealogy of the Torah, giving some the right to rule over Yahweh. It was actually a Hasidic rabbi who revealed this to me, inadvertently: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/empire-and-religion.
And the author of 'Jesus' (in quotes since there's no evidence that this is a historical person and not a literary character) hated the zealots aka the sicariots. Here's what the gospels say about them, once you decipher the words translated as robber or thief in their correct meaning as insurgents against the Roman/ Yahwist alliance: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/jesus-rebel-or-imperialist.
So when 'Jesus' curses Peter as Satan, there is a zealot famous for his inhuman strength called Peter, who is rounded up after the betrayal of Jerusalem--70 CE when the gospels were first written and the character 'Jesus' first appeared. He gets turned into a cowardly, weak representative of Satan in the inversion. It's important to put this in historical context.
Check out Know More News, Adam Green's dispensary for Green Pills. His interview w/ Laurent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQyd-50lgo
Because I am a Christian, I do not stand with the Zionist Israeli Terrorist State (ZITS) and the Zionist Christians. From a secular perspective, both of them are domestic and foreign enemies of the United States. From a religious perspective, the Jews are not the chosen people. Christians following Christ are the chosen people, but this “chosenness” is not braggadocio like some Judaic Jews, but an expression of the fruits of the spirit in humility and servanthood. Real Christians are working to bring people to Christ. I pray Jews and Christian Zionists come to Jesus Christ so they can be the chosen people.
Oxymoronic
Fabulous Laurant is of course a beautiful heartfelt compassionate honest soul ..we perceive his golden hearted intent …however plenty of Real non sectarian non..isreal - firster non ..evangelical…non churchocentric absolutely Pro 2A Christians regard Isreal as the” squaminous. sphincter of Satan”..at best”*. The Jews who super dominate the American mass media .or..lamestream lying Jew whore media”always obscure .cover that up..sweep real Americans Christian dissent to antichrist Isreal and depraved satanic vile reprobate JEWS .under the rug…* jus sayin…. But in any….every case .fabulous Laurant G..don't ..ever. stop*. Free Palestine! No trump whore houses for kushner in Gaza!** Rearm Now**
You are standing on the wrong side. Israel is with Lucifer and real Christianity is opposed. These are the two standards. One side killed the Messiah and the other side embraces the Messiah.
Hypocritical mumbo-jumbo.