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Theophrastus's avatar

Lorenzo Maria Pacini is a man:

https://independent.academia.edu/PaciniLorenzoMaria

https://campushetg.com/it/staff/26/lorenzo-maria-pacini

The name "Maria" is female, but for some traditional and now-abstruse reason, it is also used as a male name. I don't know why; it confuses me as well. This happens not only in Italian: Francois-Marie Arouet, Erich Maria Remarque. Go figure.

Tereza Coraggio's avatar

How do you find that Esau is Rome, Laurent? Esau is repeatedly clarified to be Edom. He has two wives, a Hittite and the granddaughter of Seir the Horite, whose genealogy is included in Genesis. They move to Canaan in ‘the hill country of Seir, the land of the Horites’. The Shemsu Hor were the invaders of Egypt from Sumer. Their god was Horus and Na Hor, Jacob and Esau's uncle, may be Narmer Horus who subjugated Egypt under the first dynasty it had known.

Edom is south of the Salt Sea. The ‘sons’ of Seir start with Lotan, the serpent Goddess, whose sister is said to be Timna. Esau’s chiefs of Edom start with Timna and include Oholibamah, supposedly Esau’s wife. The mythical genealogy has turned Goddess and high priestess names into lesser Heirs of Abraham. This seems like a coded replacement of the feminine by overwriting it with a genealogy of patriarchs.

Laurent Guyénot's avatar

Esau=Edom is synonymous to Rome in rabbinic Judaism, regardless of real history or geography. I am only here referring to the Jewish view. Jacob is Israel, and Esau is Rome: you can find dozens of rabbis saying it.

the Martian's avatar

And save the shit out of us they are. But for God or Mammon?